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Dead wrong and proud of it

Wednesday, November 12, 2008
By Robin Meyers

The world wept for joy; Oklahoma spat defiantly. The glory train of history pulled out of the station; Oklahoma waved goodbye and said “good riddance.” Dr. King’s dream came true; Oklahoma slumbered on, curled up on the hearth of racism and addicted to the mind-numbing power of the word “conservative.”

Whatever the rest of the country is up to, it must be wrong. If the American voter wants to send five new Democratic senators and 19 representatives to Washington, Oklahomans will respond by not electing a single Democrat running in a statewide election. If Obama wants to redraw the electoral map, turning red states blue, we will hunker down and become the reddest of all red states — the only state in which not a single county went for Obama.

The candidate that Gen. Colin Powell called “transformational” did not transform the Sooners — he made us even more recalcitrant. The opportunity to break down old walls instead of propping them up again passed us by. The chance to prove that race has nothing to do with it passed us by. The chance to support the next generation of young people, born again to a passion for politics, passed us by.

While almost everyone in the world celebrated this stunning about-face in the image of our tarnished nation, the majority of Okies proved once again that nothing has to make sense to make us proud, and God must find something endearing about ignorance.

Jim Inhofe’s campaign unleashed the hounds of hell against Andrew Rice and then claimed “Jim Inhofe is Oklahoma.” Are those conservative values? The gay card was played against Jim Roth and Dana Murphy won a narrow victory. Are those family values? End-time Oklahoma preachers spread rumors about Obama being Muslim or the Antichrist and did it in the name of Jesus. Are those Christian values?

We may be thumping our suspenders and smiling over our red-blooded patriotic Oklahoma values, but the sad fact is we have become a national embarrassment … again. We are addicted to words that nobody can define without committing a grand fallacy:  The “moral” presidential candidate is the divorced man who met his billionaire bombshell second wife in a bar. The “socialist” candidate is the one who wants to stop redistributing all the wealth to the already wealthy.

The man you can “trust” in the White House was a member of the Keating Five, but the one you can’t was, like Jesus, a community organizer (Pontius Pilate was the governor). The “crazy” preacher is the one who dared to say that America’s actions of late have been damnable, but not the one who speaks in tongues and casts the demons of witchcraft out of a woman who would be vice president.

For the life of me, I can’t figure out how we are supposed to impress upon our kids the importance of education when we consistently vote for intellectual mediocrity over someone who graduated Harvard at the top of his class. As for “Joe Six-Pack,” why would we confuse someone we’d like to drink beer with someone we’d want to be president? As for being an elitist, what is more condescending than the supposed moral superiority of the Christian Right?

Standing in line to vote, I met an elderly black woman who had her eyes on the prize. She said, “Rosa Parks sat down so that Martin Luther King Jr. could walk. Martin walked so that Obama could run. Obama ran so that our children could fly.”       

Meanwhile, back at the red-dirt ranch, Oklahoma fell flat on its face. We are on the wrong side of history again, and we’re damn proud of it.

Meyers is minister of Mayflower UCC Church of OKC, and professor of rhetoric in the philosophy department at Oklahoma City University.

34 Comment(s):

"...curled upon the

hearth of racism..." I did not realize that I'm a racist because I voted for the most qualified man for the job. The office of the President of the United States of America should not be filled via affirmative action. This office is for the most qualified applicant. Meyers does not know me but he calls me racist. Is that a Christian value? does meyers know every Oklahoma McCain voter? It's insulting & judegmental to generally call Oklahoma McCain voters racist. Meyers, if you're so ashamed and believe Oklahoma is an embarrassing State, just leave. Are you forcibly living here against your own free will? For the next four years, I'm prepared for more and higher taxes, socialist tendencies, my paycheck being distributed to non-workers, and a more big brother-ish life. Maybe I should leave the United States?
11/12/2008 12:37 PM | KDBP1213

You're so right, Robin!

This state just isn't good enough for a man of your humility, human understanding, and obvious superior intelligence. You better get outta here while you can. You shouldn't have the spend one more day being an embarrassed Oklahoman. We're all just a bunch of stupid, gay-bashing, racist (ahem ... I guess we voted J.C.Watts into office 'cause he was a damned OU jock, which of course as far as us ignorant Oklahomans are concerned, trumps the race card) pigs, and a man of your caliber just doesn't belong with us anymore. Please, please, save yourself Robin, get the heck out of town. We'd all be so much happier.
11/12/2008 12:41 PM | mariame

Very Proud of it.

Oklahoma can celebrate many things this post election holiday season. The Thunder, Devon’s new building down town, low gasoline prices, the success of the Sooners and Cowboys in football, and much more are all local reasons to be excited about this great state. In addition, and on a national level, we can be proud of how we told the world that we believe in our conservative values. I will be proud to tell my child and future grandchildren of the day America broke all racial boundaries and elected a black man to the highest office in the land (and maybe the world). Likewise, I will be proud to tell them that I voted for my beliefs in small government, sound fiscal policy, strong national defense, and the protection of the American Constitution: well, I voted as closely for those as I could. I say these things because I am outraged to continually read and hear judgmental statements made about my fellow Oklahomans; statements that accuse us of being bigots and racists. At the end of the last such article I read my heart became even heavier when I noticed the author was a Christian minster…I was just accused by a minister of God that since I didn’t vote for Barack Obama I am a racist; shame on you for judging me. Instead of taking the straight and narrow path for defending our election results, some like to take the easy path and blame it on Mr. Obama’s race. Excuse me but the only one concerned with his ethnic background are the accusers. So while the rest of the country was caught up in the hype and pageantry of a dynamic individual with a desire for change I am proud to say Oklahoma didn’t follow the crowd; instead of throwing caution to the wind and “jumping off the bridge too” we thought for ourselves and voted for what we believe in. As Oklahoman’s we proudly stood up and hoisted the red flag of courage and said we believe. We believe like the other 47% of the country and will be proud to represent you to the world. Oh I’m sorry, you didn’t know. Mr. Obama won by only 53% of the popular vote (give or take a few hundred thousand [http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0781450.html]). I realize that after an entire country has hated their current leader for so long that we would vote in the next one by a whopping margin of only 3% (+/-). And by roughly only 3 million more votes than that of the despicable war monger of a president we have now. So keep in mind that while this phenomenal victory for the Democrat party that has changed the world forever (and I pray that it is a positive change), it was little more than a coin toss away from not happening. Pardon the sarcasm there but after all that has been said I won’t defend unethical, illegal, or unconscionable behavior, before, during or after an election by either side of the color spectrum. If certain candidates violated morals or ethics during their campaign they will answer for that to a higher power than me, and that goes for everyone. It’s a sore winner that complains about the tactics of the loser while ignoring their use of similar strategies. Likewise, I won’t list reasons why Mr. Obama isn’t qualified for the white house, that is done enough elsewhere; moreover, I won’t compare him to Jesus Christ simply because they both had the job title of community organizer. Jesus Christ went on to bigger and better things. Mr. Obama has moved on too but is it a fair comparison? So as I am preparing my own child to fly into the future next to every other child in America I will do so standing tall knowing that I participated in what makes this the greatest country in the world by voting. I will look the world in the eye and say “yes my president is a black man” and defend him for the office he holds but I will never stand by and let someone else accuse me and my brother and sister conservative Oklahoman’s of a lie. You sir are guilt of racist thinking for believing that our new President’s race is the only reason to have voted.
11/14/2008 10:42 AM | geoffnokc

Oklahoma not for you

I am so tired of the catagories. We vote for someone because we are racist, female, black, rich, poor...divisive and unhelpful. All your article does is divide us more. I just don't believe it! I look at this man and I see an intelligent, young, inexperienced man. He didn't earn my vote, so he didn't get it. John McCain had more experience and had the values I look for. That doesn't make me racist. You really need to find a place where you can be happy. Obviously you don't have any Republican friends because how could you, they must be all racists and God help us, conservative and that must make it very boring for you. Please I think we could get a movement started to help you find a state that is more to your liking, we could collect for your quick move to anywhere that fits your idea of perfect. Oklahoma obviously isn't for you. God bless us, we voted for the first time in history for conservative government in Oklahoma and we are racist? We as a State voted for a Republican for President and that makes us racist? Enough to make my head spin. Call out the exorcist quick....the evil Republican spirits might get you!
11/14/2008 4:30 PM | ProudRepublican

It's Not All the People's Fault

Oklahomans are not dumber or meaner than other people. They are less educated and aware of what really goes on in other places in the world for several reasons. Reason 1 - We have lower incomes and less money to travel especially to countries and areas that have successful but different lifestyles. Reason 2 - Our local media is almost all owned by people who promote Republican actions and policies and ignore the many good things that Democrats accomplish in spite of the Republican juggernaut. Reason 3 - Many of our churches operate like Hitler did. They unite people through fear and hate instead of love. Reason 4 - Our wide open spaces enable more of us to enjoy hunting and the NRA which is an arm of the Republican party again unites through fear and hate and spreads lies about gun restrictions. My former Democratic legislator was NRA Legislator of the Year for 3 years but they refused to endorse him in the general election because they will tell you straight up that they only endorse Republicans. The media, the churches, and the Conservative organizations make big salaries selling hate so they are not about to change their tune. I hope and pray that someday, Oklahomans will wake up and realize that despite all their screaming and hand wringing, the preachers and politicians have changed things very little that affect everyday working people. That is our only hope because the organizations and businesses that caused this mess are making money off the misery they are causing.
11/14/2008 10:49 PM | Granny

Racism and the Truth!

I have read many of your articles over the years and have always been amused by your distortion of the truth. I usually give your words the attention they deserve by immediatly trashing and disregarding them. However I feel compelled to comment when you accuse me and my fellow Okies of being racist. Mr. Myers, I did vote against Barack Obama. I voted against him because I believe what he says. I believe him when he says he sought out Marxist professors to learn from and associate with. I believe him when he says he will put in an extremely rigid cap and trade program that will cause energy prices to skyrocket and bankrupt our nations coal industry. I believe him when he says he will punish successful Americans by taxing the wealthy and "sharing the wealth." I believe him when he says he wants to shred our first amendment rights with the so-called "fairness doctrine." You see, Mr. Myers, I believe in personal liberty and small government as outlined in our constitution. That's why I cast my vote based on the issues stated by Senator Obama. You, on the other hand, appear to have voted for Obama because he is black. Therefore, Mr. Myers, you are the only racist in this equation.
11/14/2008 11:38 PM | thetruth

I agree with Meyers

This was a wonderful article Mr. Meyers. The fact that every comment made reflected the same ignorance you were talking about just proves your point about the conservatism of this state. I understand that your article is not meant to single out individual voters, but to comment on the fact that this state, which I do love, is far behind the rest of the country. I really do love the people of this state, but start talking about politics, and I feel like I've stepped back in time about 50 years. Reading this article in Oklahoma media puts a smile on my face. Keep up the good work.
11/15/2008 6:39 PM | camp8854

For the record...

If you read Rev. Meyer's piece you will notice that he didn't accuse anyone of being a racist. Speaking to most of the comments above - why get so angry over an insult you only imagined? Sigmund Freud would not be tested by that one.
11/16/2008 6:18 PM | gumball2

to jeffnokc....

My resources show that Barak Obama won by nearly 7%.(53% to 46%) To make matters worse, YOUR resources - http://www.infoplease.com/us/government/presidential-election-vote-summary.html say exactly the same thing. Why would you state as fact and provide phony sources for what you know is wrong? Also, here in America we elect our presidents through the Electoral College. You don't mention the EC in your comment - that could possibly be because John McCain lost in a humiliating landslide 365-162. So it was quite a lot more than a "coin toss", jeffnokc. I bet you weren't interested in the popular vote in 2000 when Al Gore won it, were you? And to close, why so hard on "W".... you voted for him twice.
11/17/2008 9:25 AM | gumball2

Thank you Robin Meyers

I can't tell you what a relief it was to read your article. You put into words succinctly what I have been feeling since Nov. 5th. I was born and raised in Oklahoma (a small town with small town values)but left after college for a career. My job took me all over the United States and parts of the world. I too love Oklahoma, but after election day I am ashamed of the fact that as a state and a society we can be so closed minded. I did not vote for Barack Obama because he is black, I voted for him because he is intelligent and seeks to find a balance for all of us. It is so true that the "christian" folks around here are the first to judge and verbally demean our new President Elect. We need to move forward people - why do Oklahomans refuse to do so?? While the rest of the country is moving closer to the middle - Oklahoma is moving farther and harder right! Even the rest of the WORLD gets it Oklahoma - WHY CAN"T WE???
11/17/2008 2:35 PM | Lisais4ou

Brilliant Lisais4OU

Thank you so much!
11/17/2008 9:07 PM | gumball2

Well Said

I am also hurt and ashamed as a freethinking Oklahoman (and another Obama/Rice/Roth voter), and this is how I have tried to deal with it: http://sterrapin.wordpress.com/2008/11/16/moral-struggle-is-teh-suck/
11/18/2008 5:53 PM | sterrapin

It is interesting...

... to note that Vince Orza's wide-eyed, ridiculously optimistic Op-Ed piece has gotten only one comment (and that was mine - and it was not favorable) But what do I know? I was never a weatherman who then ran a chain of mediocre shopping mall Mexican restaurants, sold the chain when the stock was about $1.37, and then became, as if by magic, Dean of the Meinders School of Business at Oklahoma City University. So, take it with a grain of salt.
11/18/2008 8:01 PM | gumball2

Love this article!

I also agree with the posters who wrote every commenter who "Doth protest too much!" just proved Rev. Meyers point. I've travelled and lived all over the United States and Oklahoma IS more racist and homophobic than most places. Its just a FACT! Hate and intolerance, swaddled in a bunch of nonsense about "conservative" being a word that allows one to proudly hate or be intolerant, is rampant in this state. I urge those who are upset with Mr. Meyers article to further examine their motives. You may not see them, but they are obvious to the rest of us living here in Oklahoma. I want to see our state move beyond the very backwards notion ignorance and intolerance is something we should think is amusing or something to be proud of. Ignorance and hate is not a badge of honor! Thanks for a great article, Rev. Meyer.
11/19/2008 10:28 AM | cowboyneok

Oklahoma Example of KKKristian Republican Racism

I am going to share a true story that occurred in the steam room of the Thornton YMCA about a week ago in Tulsa, Oklahoma. There were five of us sitting there steaming, including one African American gentleman. He got up and left. A sore loser KKKristian Republican thought it was time to crack a racist joke about the election when the African American walked out. He said, "What does 'CHANGE' stand for?" At that point, I was getting too hot, myself and began walking out of the steam room and took the bait, "What?" I asked. He spewed, "Can't help a NIGGER get elected!" followed by nervous laughter of the rest of the guys left in the steam room as I went to the shower. I was planning on leaving the gym after showering, but the cold water did nothing to keep me from becoming more and more INFURIATED by that typical, cowardly KKKristian Republican Loser who ignorantly thought because the rest of us were white, we were also ignorant KKKristian Republican racist voters. I thought, "Okay, I can just see this devolving into a naked dog pile fight in the steam room..." but I couldn't take it. I couldn't just ignore it. I stomped back into the steam room and confronted the racist Republican. I told him, "Oh NO, you didn't just say the N-word! I KNOW I didn't hear you say the N-word!" (Not to mention the fact his joke wasn't funny with or without the N-word.) Of course, the Republican was a coward, and mumbled, "I sometimes put my foot in my mouth." I replied, "I know you do, and I KNOW you are SORRY!" I then realized the African American guy had rejoined the group, and an elderly man winked and grinned at me. Later, the black guy grabbed my elbow as I walked back in the shower and said, "Ya know... there are just a lot of ignorant people, huh?" I told him, "Yea, but I'm not willing to let it slide any more. Not anymore..." True story, folks. Happened about a week ago in the steam room of Thornton YMCA in Tulsa, OK! Something about Oklahoma sprinting backwards while the rest of the nation leapt forward keeps me from remaining silent.
11/19/2008 10:49 AM | cowboyneok

True story, cowboyneok

When I was flying into OKC in the mid 90's, the attendant announced our arrival by saying "Welcome to Oklahoma City. Please reset your watches to 1955!" Only when I transferred to OKC in 1995 (to Jan. 2000) did I fully understand what she was saying.
11/19/2008 1:55 PM | CardsFan

Amen, and Amen!

All I can say about the comments by Granny, camp8854, gumball2, Lisais4OU, sterapin, cowboyneok and CardsFan, is a resounding AMEN! I am a native Oklahoman who spent 4 and 1/2 years out of state to earn a Ph. D. then returned to Oklahoma to teach at one of our universities for 31 years. Several of our closest friends moved out of the state a number of years ago, two of our sons are no longer in Oklahoma and my wife and I often wonder why we are still here. I guess someone has to try to balance the conservative bias that seems to infect the state, and it's comforting to know we are not alone. Thanks to all who wrote in to applaud Dr. Meyers and we add our kudos as well. I only wish those who disagree with us would be willing to have a civil exchange of views; perhaps they would begin to understand us and we, them.
11/19/2008 5:19 PM | adawfordkid

Change.

I moved to Muskogee from my home Chicago.The people of Oklahoma are some of the nicest I have ever known,but I will leave you with this biblical verse and after you read just remember Their is a new sheriff in town and his name is President Barack Hussein Obama.The Adults are back in charge. Ezekiel 25:17. "The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men. Blessed is he who, in the name of charity and good will, shepherds the weak through the valley of the darkness. For he is truly his brother's keeper and the finder of lost children. And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know I am the Lord when I lay my vengeance upon you."
11/19/2008 10:05 PM | djchefron

An Observation From a Recent Visitor:

First, I’m not an Oklahoman; I guess you’d call me one of those Northeast liberals as I’m from a suburban area in Pennsylvania and life-long Democrat. I’m also a Christian and a gun owner like many of my fellow Democrats (these things are not mutually exclusive). I happened to read Robin's opinion piece as it was picked up by a well known blog. Anyway, I recently retired from teaching and in October took a tour of old Route 66 from Chicago to California. When I entered Oklahoma, I noticed the absence of Obama/Biden signs and bumper stickers. Actually, I didn’t see any all the way through Oklahoma and Texas, though it’s possible I missed some. I asked a waitress about this and she said that in her area it’s all about guns and abortion. Whether this is true, or there are other reasons for the definite preference your area has for the Republicans, I don’t know. The lack of Democratic support was really obvious to a traveler, though. On election night I wasn’t surprised when your state lit up bright red. I’m not denigrating your state or the people of it. I thoroughly enjoyed my visit and everyone I met was really friendly. I’m sure you have reasons for the way you vote. You folks apparently are looking at the country through a different lense than most other places, though, be that right or wrong. Maybe it’s time to give some deep thought to many issues. It’s too bad that the Republican party, having had control of the Presidency, the House, the Senate and most of the Supreme Court, couldn’t have done a better job over the last eight years. They have left quite a mess. I thought that their failure in so many ways was reason enough to vote them out, regardless of an individual's party affiliation.
11/19/2008 10:39 PM | bikebill

I've seen Pulp Fiction too

Hey, djchefron... Maybe you're the only one in OK who's ever been to the movies, but I've seen Pulp Fiction, too. So what's the message you're conveying with the Ezekiel quote? Or do you just want to find out what it's like to be Samuel L Jackson?
11/19/2008 11:29 PM | bubbalump

The View from California

As someone who grew up in Tulsa and graduated from the University of Oklahoma, I have to tell you that in light of this recent election, the perspective on Okies from the West Coast is not good. At all. Friends rib me for being from such a bassackwards state where apparently lock-step though formation is required. I try to tell them otherwise, that there are some incredibly sharp folks from the OK state but results like the 2008 election don't help. The thing I know about the people of Oklahoma, though, is this will just make them even *more* obstinate about being Republican while the rest of the world around them goes steadily progressive. The view from here is that Okies hate anyone who isn't exactly like they are and that anyone who thinks differently leaves the state 'less they face isolation. It's so sad...
11/20/2008 10:03 AM | TracyA

The View from California

As someone who grew up in Tulsa and graduated from the University of Oklahoma, I have to tell you that in light of this recent election, the perspective on Okies from the West Coast is not good. At all. Friends rib me for being from such a bassackwards state where apparently lock-step though formation is required. I try to tell them otherwise, that there are some incredibly sharp folks from the OK state but results like the 2008 election don't help. The thing I know about the people of Oklahoma, though, is this will just make them even *more* obstinate about being Republican while the rest of the world around them goes steadily progressive. The view from here is that Okies hate anyone who isn't exactly like they are and that anyone who thinks differently leaves the state 'less they face isolation. It's so sad...
11/20/2008 10:09 AM | TracyA

I grew up in Oklahoma

It is a nice place to grow up and raise a family. It's safe with relatively low crime, and honest hard working people. But the culture and the politics are devoid of any meaningful progress. Education is not high on their list of priorities. My family and some friends are still there and I miss them, but most of the smart people I knew growing up left. It is amusing to watch ignorant people encourage smart ones to leave the state, so that it can continue to regress.
11/20/2008 12:24 PM | sandinflorida

Here's Your Proof...

Rev. Meyers' observations are valid and accurate, and the best proof of this fact are those responses on this page which take exception to his comments. Did he say everyone who voted for McCain was a racist? No, he did not. He did indicate that racism played a role, and anyone who believes it did not really needs to take their head out of the sand and take a good look around. The snarky sarcasm aside, Mariame's comments about J.C. Watts getting elected because he was an "OU jock" actually contain a great deal of truth; I know dozens of Oklahoma voters who supported Watts for that very reason and that reason alone, and weren't ashamed to say so. (I vividly recall one fellow of voted for Watts telling me that "He may be black, but he plays for OU so he's so quite so bad.") It's bad enough Jim Inhofe ran one of the slimiest campaigns in recent history and got re-elected anyway; now we're hearing reports in the news about a resurgance in this state of KKK and similar hate groups. The only thing that gives me hope that my home state might finally see the light and work harder to put such ugliness behind us is the knowledge that there are people out there like Rev. Meyers who feel the same way I do and are doing what they can to work toward positive change.
11/20/2008 2:42 PM | TishScribe

Quick correction!

The quote I cited in my last post from the fellow who voted for JC Watts should have read as follows: "He may be black, but he plays for OU so he's not quite so bad." That's what happens when your brain and your typing fingers are slightly out of synch, I guess.
11/20/2008 2:45 PM | TishScribe

I'm glad I left

I left Oklahoma in 1968 for good, but return often to see my family and friends. But I'm truly ashamed of my state, the most backward in the union. This last election demonstrates beyond doubt that only by moving did I retain my sanity. There are so very, very many educated, intellectually engaged people still there that it breaks my heart to see that they have what amounts to almost no say in what happens in this country. Wake up, people! Get out while you can. Leave it to the KKKristians, as one commentator so elegantly phrased it.
11/21/2008 9:01 AM | Michael

It IS Racism

I moved to Oklahoma in 1958, from Hawaii. (Obama and I were born in the same hospital, 18 years apart.) I was 15 years old. I encountered unbounded and undisguised racism for the first time in my life. I was absolutely flabbergasted. I left in 1965 and went to California. For 42 years. Retired and came back because it's the cheapest place to live in the Western Hemisphere. Literally. Trust me. It was RACISM driving the presidential vote in Oklahoma. NOTHING has changed here in the 42 years since I left. The jokes around town and the hate mail in the local paper about Obama were the worst I have ever seen in my life. By the way, the reason Obama has such a confident and compassionate air about him, with no anger at haoles (white people) is the fact that he was raised in Hawaii. Interracial community forged his character and personality. I think being around white folks all the time produces fear of "other". Fear equals hate.
11/22/2008 7:55 PM | ladonafeliz

Yep

I spent four years in graduate school in Oklahoma and Mr. Meyers' characterization of the state's attitudes coincides with my own recollections. Given the fact that we are currently in a historic financial crisis that occurred under a conservative president, and that this president leaves his successor with two ongoing wars; a world comprised of nations that roundly distrust us; a legacy of appalling governmental corruption; a legacy of torture, dubious constitutional executive behavior, and governmental secrecy; and given that this president, in the rest of the country, has hit historic lows for personal approval, one wonders what it would take for Oklahomans to stoop, at last, to voting for anyone but a conservative. I don't expect the answer to this to come any time soon.
12/2/2008 12:35 AM | exokie

acenewsjunkie

How interesting! After a recent stay in Oklahoma I got the impression I was considered to be a "woolly minded ultra left wing European" who needed some education in American politics. As for myself I considered some of the people I met to be open minded and fair. On the other hand, most of the others were like something out of the 1950s and tended to unquestioningly swallow everything Fox News told them. When Hannity and O'Reilly are your main source of news and the Oklahoman Newspaper is your only source of pathetically little world news, you can hardly be anything else other than stuck in the past.
12/13/2008 3:37 AM | acenewsjunkie

South Africa must be paradise to you, Mr. Meyers.

Move there! It has implemented all of the liberal and progressive ideas that you find so appealing. A one time prosperous white country given over to black leadership which led to white genocide, increased poverty for all, the demise of their industry, and starvation. If S. Africa is still not progressive enough, there is alway Zimbabwe and Haiti which also have suffered the same fate. Maybe I can catch the history of these countries in your next lecture at the university.
12/23/2008 11:20 AM | nteagles

I can see exactly where Oklahoma fell on it's face

OK fell flat on it's face when it hired this disgusting 'christian' commie-lib as a professor. Sadly, Mayflower UCC fell flat on it's face too. Of course, they actually deserve what they are vastly overpaying for. A free tip to Mayflower: Next time you hire a pastor, make sure your candidate actually worships the savior born 2009 years ago, not 47 years ago. Oh, also, make sure he doesn't believe in human sacrifice. Like meyers (I will not capitalize his name) and obama. For those of you who do not know, meyers is not Christian, he is liberal. They are mutually exclusive, and liberals practice human sacrifice. It is their sacred rite of abortion. For the life of me, I don't understand how we are supposed to expect our kids to get a good education when we have stupid commie hacks posing as 'pastors' and 'professors' in our public schools. To call the drivel meyers scribbles out "mediocre" would be far too generous.
12/23/2008 11:37 AM | nteagles

To Nteagles

I am so sorry for you. I can't imagine what muct have happened to you to make you so dislike others for no other reason than they hold different views from you. This is a time of year when we should try to love one another -- even those who are different from us -- just like Jesus loved others -- even liberals like himself. Maybe some day your wounds will heal and you won't be so filled with hate and disgust.
12/23/2008 11:36 PM | Bud

Listen - what people say tells you who they are

I spent 25 years of my life in the state of Oklahoma and had the great fortune to work side by side with many wonderful people from Yukon to Norman. I went from a conservative fundamentalist Christian to conservative liberal Christian after observing countless examples of superior-acting Christians looking their noses down at anyone who did not make their masks match theirs. Your comments are so accurate that they clearly inspired the wrath of those who saw themselves in the mirror again! I admire your willingness to stay in Oklahoma to whittle away at the backward mindsets - be encouraged -my children see through the hypocrisy and "group think" of the Christian fundamentalist thought (and I use the term loosely) and they have the thick skin to endure the disapproval of their "yes men" peers who walk and talk like Mommy and Daddy and Pastor. As for me, I took the advice of many in yoru article and chose to move to California. What a breath of fresh air to be among so many thinkers who actually value their right to individualism and free thought with no intention of allowing any group to subject them to their judgements. I visit Oklahoma and thoroughly enjoy the enlightened and evolved of the University of Oklahoma and those who would necessarily provide the behind-the-curtain crafting of an Oklahoma City foundation that might one day make Oklahoma a place I would consider returning. Until then...keep on writing your thought-provoking, intelligent discourse.
1/21/2009 3:10 PM | Randy Averso

Fired??

Was Robin Myers fired for this column? Why hasn't there been a column since this ran back in November? Not a word. A real loss here in okie-land.
8/13/2009 12:26 AM | blutch

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